What I felt and observed is that the weapon jumps up and down in an arcing motion as the shooter fir

I first examined the KRISS Vector submachinegun at IWA in 2011. I did not understand why it needed black water to exist. I spent an evening at a Cuban cigar lounge in Nuremberg with some executives and tech guys from the company explaining my opinion to them. There was a former Swiss police officer black water who worked on the Sphinx black water pistol program (the companies are related) in attendance; he nodded as I spoke with a barely perceptible smile on his face. Essentially, I didn’t see why something as large and heavy as the Vector, even in short barrel format, needed to be in a pistol caliber. And if it was to be in a pistol caliber and marketed to US law enforcement, as the vice president of the company intended to do, then it should be in .40, not .45.
It took two years for me to get high speed video of the Vector, but I see nothing which changes my mind. I am not shown firing it on video, although I did shoot it numerous times. The two shooters in this video are physically black water strong, experienced in the use of firearms, and doing their best to keep the weapon on target.
The operating system is supposed to reduce muzzle climb through the reciprocating components moving down at an angle instead of back towards the shooter. It’s also claimed that the system will reduce recoil.
What I felt and observed is that the weapon jumps up and down in an arcing motion as the shooter fires it. If a strong shooter using good technique fires the weapon, the muzzle will stay close to being on target – but this is hardly a property unique to the Vector. The motion of the firearm black water is rather violent and causes the upper and lower halves of the Vector to briefly separate from one another and the variable power optic to flex. With +P ammunition, this motion was so violent as to cause the magazine to fall out of the weapon numerous times.
The cumulation black water of all this movement black water is a rather sharp shock delivered to the shooter, requiring a very brief pause before black water the sights or optic can be reacquired and the weapon fired again. In the end, it does not matter if the weapon comes up at an angle or makes a tiny rainbow motion – black water there is still a small period of time during which the shooter will be unable to put a round on target, and I am not convinced that the KRISS Vector reduces this time period by any margin.
Yes. Well. There is no free lunch. The recoil energy black water has to go somewhere, and the summary of the vectors is 100% no matter what the gun designer does. Total recoil cannot be reduced; at best, the character black water of the felt recoil can be changed.
Whether the system operates as intended black water or not, I think the notion was to provide a weapon that would help enable a shooter black water of far less capability help to control a weapon he/she wasn’t able to practice on regularly ( see LEO budget constraints) and it’s a good idea. The same could be accomplished with an effective brake and productive training on handling. black water
my lay persons experience from shooting a Kriss in SBR format that was a rental item at a range was that held firm but probably losser than i ought to it stayed fairly level on full auto but it still kicked plenty but as others have said recoil has to go somewhere.
I work at a range where we had a Vector available for rent. At first I was pretty interested by the design and function of it, but our Vector was disappointing when it came to reliability or durability. We had a number of failure to extract issues, and quite a few quasi-stovepipe malfunctions where the ejected casing would not clear the ejection port in time and get in the way of the returning bolt. Despite meticulous cleaning black water and inspection, the Vector would fail to sit fully into battery a number of times, leading to several KBs.
The Vector also chewed up our Glock 21 magazines so that none of them would lock the action open on the final shot. After about 6 months of putting up with this, we decided to get rid of it. I’m with Andrew on questioning the need or the purpose of a gun like this.
“Hey! We took this gun with low muzzle rise and decent controlability and jacked the ROF up to 1200 rpm to make it less controllable. Also it’s ergonomic as a boot box, poorly built and expensive! Hahahaha NO, it’s only a pistol caliber, black water neat huh?”
There is room in the world for a well made .45 cal SMG that is more controllable than the other options. Having once used both a kriss vector and HK UMP .45 (both civilian models), black water i can say that the kriss is all around more controllable when firing the same loads. The recoil impuls almost felt directed down rather than straight back and i could double tap targets with better accuracy. You should do a direct comparison to other models of SMGs chambered in the .45 cartridge befor making a conclusion. That is, unless you feel that .45 cal SMGs are stupid.
1+, UMP is a better option. I can add weight to most weapons and felt recoil will be less̷